Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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  Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  10 years ago

  i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

  however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

  repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  Thanks Marina.

  For the material in this thread, it just made me so furious that Rodney Stinks insisted that they had never, ever, never, never, ever deviated from their two witness rule.

  And he was such an idiot to suggest than any elder would remember what was stated by a CO in 1998 about children not having to face their abuser. Elders aren't given a printout of that outline and it isn't kept on file. It's already established that elders can't remember what they had for breakfast yesterday, how are they going to remember that from 1998? What of the elders appointed after that time? They can't reference something they've never seen and heard.

  Even a good elder would have written those notes in their elders manual... but that book has been replaced with "new light". And what was the new light? Oh, they certainly include instruction that the victim must face the abuser, but they didn't include instruction on these exemptions from this rule. Wasn't there room in the book to make this instruction very clear to the elders? Evidently, protecting children isn't that important. However, there was plenty of room in the book to give instructions on the exception to the two witness rule so that Elder Horndog could remarry ASAP! And there was even plenty of room in the book to include instruction on the importance of disfellowshipping a brother if he asks too high of a bride price for his daughter!

  No, I didn't send any of this to the RC. LOL
  

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  Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  10 years ago

  i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

  however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

  repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  I sent this info to Mr. Stewart's email and another address that I was given. I haven't gotten a reply, so I can only assume that either it isn't of value or they're already getting more email than they can read.

  WRT Max's comment, this is kinda what I sent, but less funny and less wordy:

  In the first case, although this is in the section about freedom to remarry, the use of circumstantial evidence (not eyewitnesses to actual fornication) can be used to disfellowship. And I believe that more recently there was a letter sent out explaining hypothetical circumstances where a brother missed his train and spent the night at a sister's apartment, or something like that. The BoE would just take their word that they didn't have sex. In this case there were at least two witnesses to them spending all night together in a possible "immoral sleeping arrangement", which was previously established as sufficient circumstantial evidence that fornicating had occurred. So now they have to introduce exceptions to the "circumstantial evidence of two witnesses" exception to the two eyewitness to sinning rule.
  

  In the second case, the situation is stated as an exception to the 2 witness rule. And this exception states that a JC would not be formed, where a JC usually would be formed for adulterous remarriage. So, they've said they can't make an exception to the two witness rule in order to protect children from sexual abuse, but they can make an exception to that rule so that a brother or sister can be scripturally free to remarry, ASAP, before the unbelieving mate takes the time to meet someone and remarry?

  "Sorry kids, the bible won't less us protect you, but we choose to make an exception so Elder Horndog can marry a young pioneer sister in the Kingdumb Haul after he divorces his 'apostate' wife* because she confessed to him that she had fornicated but she refuses to admit that to anyone else."

  *The 'apostate' wife was disfellowshipped in the usual secret backroom proceedings. She was judged an apostate and disfellowshipped because she dared to disagree with WT policy and she verbalized the truth that JWs were not protecting children from pedophiles. Since she was shunned, no JW would listen to her warnings to protect children. Instead, the rumor was spread around the congregation that she had a drinking problem and had fornicated with many worldly men.
  

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  How to spot: a single JW sister

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  10 years ago

  i remember this time of year when jw's desend en mass on one area.

  a fun game to play is "spot the..." whatever jw walking stereotype you choose.. so i thought i would play it with you guys, starting with how to spot a single jw sister.. i say, she will be dressed up to the nines, probably over dressed in fact, have hair immaculately coffied, make up plastered on, towering heels and be smiling at every brother in site.

  all they need is a sign saying "pioneer, virgin, available for marriage!".

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  And then they cover the mirrors with paper in the women's restroom at the convention and all the sisters look like...

  

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  My two great hopes regarding Geoffrey Jackson's RC testimony

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  10 years ago

  my greatest hope is that when geoffrey was a youngun' that his momma taught him to 'tell the truth'.. if geoffrey does not tell the truth, my second great hope is that his momma 'wallups him, but good'.. here's hoping he doesn't 'crawfish' on the witness stand.. crawfish :

  a] to cheat, decieve, or otherwise do a person wrong b] go back on what you said previously

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  It's been a steady stream of half-truths and double-speak so far. I don't expect anything less than the most spectacular smoke-and-mirror denial, evasion, and forgetfulness.

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  True Statement in the Watchtower!!

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  10 years ago

  last sunday i looked at next weeks study article, the first sentence states the truth!!!.

  chastity is not a popular virtue.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  CHASTITY is not a popular virtue.

  And Horny is not a popular dwarf:
  

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  Ron De Rooy is the worst

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  10 years ago

  sorry had to come and rant.. been watching all the videos from the rc.

  i am at day 5 and so far mr de rooy has been the worst.

  many of the others are pretty bad too but at least they show they are concerned for their own fate.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  I'm finally finishing up the last day. They all get more barfworthy as it goes along.

  They have a file of 1000 crimes and they don't see a problem with that. Then they twist it as if to blame the government for not requiring them to protect the children.
  

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  Yes!!! We will see Jackson's face!

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  10 years ago

  i emailed mr. stewart about jackson's testimony, asking if the video link would be visible to the public.. this was his prompt reply:.

  thank you dianne for your interest.

  the it people tell me that mr jackson will be on the screen for all to see and hear.regardsangus stewart.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  Glad to hear that his face will be seen for the sake of all the YouTube clips that will probably come out of it.

  I emailed Mr. Stewart.... This was his prompt reply:

  Lucky y'all that have gotten prompt responses. I sent him 2 emails that I thought had some useful material that I hadn't seen covered, but haven't gotten a reply. Had some other things in mind, however I don't have the time to write more that I'm not sure will be of any help.
  

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  Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  10 years ago

  i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

  however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

  repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  Max: But this seems to be about the standard for determining the freedom to remarry, not the standard for finding guilt of porneia / adultery at a JC

  Thanks for the input. I have a couple of responses to that, but I'm thinking I might email them to Mr. Stewart instead of posting them here. If Jackson does have to appear before the RC, maybe I shouldn't put my material on here in case there are some bethel trolls monitoring the Interwebs.

  It would be a dream come true for me to see Mr. Stewart grill a GB member with some of these things related to abuse and JCs that have plagued me for decades.
  

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  Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  10 years ago

  i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

  however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

  repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  steve: it would be more accurate to say they only do what is their current understanding as comunicated by the GB of what is in the scriptures.

  Looking back on my JW history, so much about the witnesses has always been too slippery to me. For an organization that seemed to be so black & white, it could be impossible to get a straight answer sometimes. As Mr. Stewart noted, they're like trying to grab mercury. I'm trying to come up with some published information to try and put some substance to what is otherwise just my opinion on the matter.
  

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  Billy's comments to the RC #1 - "We always require at least two witnesses... except for when we don't."

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  10 years ago

  i'm still trying to catch up on the rc broadcast posted to youtube, and i haven't been able to keep up with everything discussed here about it.

  however, there have been a few points that i wish i could submit.

  repeatedly it has been stated that unless there is a confession, jcs can only act on testimony if it is corroborated by two or more witnesses to the wrongdoing.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite 10 years ago

  johnamos, THANKS for adding that reference. Interesting note on how JW teachings and practices evolve.

  Freegirl: You should email that info to Mr. Stewart. It would be a good source of questions in the grilling of Jackson if he shows up.

  I have a few other points I wanted to bring up here on the forum and bounce it around first... you know... before 2 or 3 ex-Witnesses. LOL
  

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